God has become a stigma in our society today, the lack of morality I think is a reflection of that stigma. this same author states The practical effect of the W-H theory was a complete rejection of the Syrian text and an almost exclusive preference for the Neutral text (equals B and Aleph). Much like all of the centuries of deception by the Roman Catholic Church that have come to light in the recent years of the forgeries and lies to obtain power over the people. Did the editor who has written the last book of Mark,wrote any other passages after Mark. William posts As Rodney King said, Cant we all just get along? Actually at least to me it does seem to be more important to be able to get along than to be right, however right is defined. That is called relativism, a scourge which has infected our culture. Any organization that uses the KJV as a baseline English translation for textual criticism can safely be dismissed by anyone looking to take this topic seriously. I read it for the prose. Describes her perfectly. check out this documentary by Abduhla Films called Bridge To Babylon The discipline of Biblical manuscript analysis is mature, rich, and sophisticated. Who has gathered the wind in His fists? The Codex Sinaiticus is allegedly 800 year older that that, and has had no special preservative treatment or conditions in all that time, yet the parchment condition is fresh, supple and un-oxidised. Westcott and Hort corrected the King James Bible (1881 NT and 1884 AT) and replaced the Textus Receptus as a basis through the Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus. Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea at the time of Jesus Christs death. terrible things draw near. So is the conclusion of the Lords Prayer: For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. That leaves only Matthew 28:19 to support the doctrine of the Trinity. There also was the first letter to the Corinthian church which described resurrection appearances and so on..And there are numerous modern scholars (agnostic, Christian, not Christianapparently also Jewish) who assert that belief in the physical resurrection rose up within the church immediately. We rember what we want, what seemed imoortant to us, but mostly just very general ideas. his words will never pass away ! A salvaged page of the Codex Sinaiticus from St. Catherines Monastery recovered in 1975. My mistake 2 Cor 13:14 is in the CS. I bless you in the Name of the Father, the SON and the HOLY Spirit. The Textus Receptus always has the evidence on its side. Craig, thanks for the link to battle of the bible. Photo: Courtesy of St. Catherines Monastery. Who has gone up to Heaven, and come down? That is how the system works. Unless I am mistaken, I have not seen the book of Daniel in the codex sinaticus. For example, the resurrection narrative at the end of Mark (16:920) is absent from the Codex Sinaiticus. Each of these three codices "clearly exhibits a fabricated text - is the result of arbitrary and reckless recension." . I have a theory its actually 144 million or 1.44 billion. Nevertheless, for many readers and contributors to this forum, there are things in that entry which they might not agree with; others might not bat an eye. Thanks hope i will learn alot in this websiteBut i want to ask who translated The Amplified bible version? Both are included in the Sinaiticus. God works in, with and through fallen human beings, even when the errors/sins are most glaring. (If youd like to learn something about the ending of Mark in Codex Sinaiticus, by the way, I have some research about that I would gladly share. I will always prefer the KJV with all its faults. This is the cause of the surprise of the British Library staff, who are acknowledged world class experts in handling such manuscripts. When I have tried this really no one had remembered what had been said. The woman caught in adultery from John 8 is omitted in Codex Sinaiticus. This certainly speaks to who He is the I AM. Instead.the Gospels end with a message of hope, (The Epilogue at the end of John was probably added later by a follower of Peter.) Finally, I have one suggestion, as I close. Actually, the Christian apologist who says that BAR is wrong to point out the theological significance of omitting the ascension and the resurrection appearances in the corrupt Critical Text is himself naive. Ive now forgotten where and cannot find it. In fact, a Syrian Bishop named Theodoret (397-457 AD) found 200 copies of it in his church and threw them out. i have an 1560 geneva bible and 1611 an an 1678 an 1769.. 1829..1841 and also use other revived text bibles. Ronald S. Hendel of the University of California, Berkeley, argues that scholars can reconstruct a more original Hebrew Bible text if they " combine the best from each tradition .". We wont,we will always make asumptions based in what we have and might never been correct. What I think is significant is that the basic message of the bible hasnt changed regardless of which Greek manuscript is used for translation into English. But I can tell you this; I use the King James Bible because 99% of all the manuscript evidence supports the Textus Receptus that underlies it. Did the Ancient Israelites Think Children Were People. This is just not possible, for there is no mention of the catastrophe in Rome when these apostles and most of the other Christians were cruelly massacred late in Neros reign. Access to 50+ curated Special Collections. Historically, the Textus Receptus had long served as the primary Greek text for New Testament studies. That is the nature of deception. The Vaticanus and Sinaiticus manuscripts are part of this group. The King James and Tischendorf? I didnt want to put it with other translations on my bookshelves lest someone read it unawares and was led astray, but I did not feel comfortable destroying it so I hid it. Are you afraid readers will get a conclusion contrary to your publishing bias? Its the reason I continue to receive the articles! I mostly appreciate the articles but always find the comments helpful and sometimes entertaining. Unbelievable! No one was copying the thought in ant way, it now was a part of each hearers memory and as such will be changed a bit by each hearer. Many of the larger monasteries had a scriptorium in which the production of new manuscripts was constant. While faith comes by the hearing of the Word, the fact that there is the omission of the ending of St. Marks Gospel in the Sinaiticus, whatever the reason, does not prevent the Holy Spirit from bringing hearers to the knowledge of salvation in Jesus Christ, the crucified and risen Son of God. The English translation was not translated from the Codex, but evidently copy-pasted from some English version of the Bible and mapped onto the verse numbers in the CS. That reading is also found in a few Old Latin mss of the Gospels. Being in the ultimate best group (your current religion is the correct one of course) is a very powerful aphrodisiac. Please give a link that is based on literature and that would show the inauthenticity of Codex Sinaiticus. Each will find their own way. It has commonly been argued, for at least 200 years (John Bengel, d. 1752, was the first), that no matter what Greek text one may use it will not affect any doctrine. I want to cringe. Scholars in favor of the critical text of the bible, view the Codex Sinaiticus to be one of the greatest Greek texts of the New Testament and the codex is a celebrated historical treasure by many modern scholars, along with that of the Codex Vaticanus. However, this addition does not appear in the oldest Greek manuscripts. If somebody takes one of those dollar coins, it still looks like a lot money and I almost have a million dollars. Those Jewish leaders I dare say would have been far more familiar with the OT than you or I have ever been. Westcott and Hort highly valued the Romish texts -Vaticanus and Sinaiticus, as well as the doctrines of Rome above Protestant doctrine though they were publicly involved in the Protestant church. That is in the Sinaiticus, but not in any manuscripts prior to the Council of Nicea. The Codex Sinaiticus is serving today as the basis for almost all modern Bible translations since the beginning . I had looked at a photo of the end of 2 Cor 13 in the CS, and it ended with verse 13, and the English translation on that same web page showed it ending with what we know as verse 13. FREE ebook: The Holy Bible: A Buyer's Guide 42 different Bible versions, addressing content, text, style and religious orientation. So, you admit there are serious problems with Sinaiticus bibles and also that the only thing of importance to you is you can still be saved using these bibles. The sound foundation built by seeking knowledge and wisdom come from meditating on the word day and night and then is still a spiritual revelation of the truth of God. First, Codex Sinaiticus is not the oldest manuscript its the oldest complete codex and from the 3rd-4th centuries. The person who wrote this is obviously undereducated read Mark 16:6!!! Those wanting to use the Greek manuscripts needs to consult the fact that these were Yisraelis writing, not Greek and the language would have been written in Hebrew. See Dr Bill Cooper PhD, ThD, The Forging of the Codex Sinaiticus and New Testament Fragments. Just like the serpent was doing the devils dirty work in the Garden of Eden where God walked and talked with our first parents, (and conquered for a time), so too the devil has had his agents working to subvert and pervert Scripturelittle by little, line by line, here a little there a little over many centuries. AGF. Textus Receptus Bible chapters shown in parallel with your selection of Bibles. Along with my 11 other companion who witnessed it, and 500 other witnesses who were visited, I think wed get those details right. I just love it when people cannot think outside of their TV dinner box and read ONE thing and run with it, yet they never believe what the Bible says. By submitting above, you agree to our privacy policy. Here is Matthew 16:14. According to James Bentley, Tischendorf was not troubled by the omission of the resurrection in Mark because he believed that Matthew was written first and that Marks gospel was an abridged version of Matthews gospel. One said to the other of the Textus Receptus Think of that vile Textus Receptus leaning entirely on late MSS. And that was only a few years after it occured. ; it is a blessing there are such early ones. Not in Gods economy. But do it with a sincerely open mind. For obvious reasons, the Textus Receptus is also referred to as the "Majority Text" since the majority (95% or more) of existing manuscripts support this reading. The idea that older is automatically better has deceived many people when it comes to this text that was found by Tischendorf and used by Westcott and Hort and the like. This is a famous variant in the mss, but Codex Sinaiticus attests compassion, not anger. Any Greek representation of the New Testament is not factual as to the true text. No products in the cart. Amen (Matthew 6:13). It is one of the four great uncial codices. They cant all be simultaneously true so it is important to seek out the truth. Amen ! https://books.google.com/books/about/In_the_Beginning.html?id=C8Nw_SN2zgYC&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button#v=onepage&q&f=false. If I misquote the Prime minister of my country just by a little bit, publicly, and insist that my quote is what he said, even when it is pointed out that I got it wrong, will I be excused by the Chief Prosecutor for the Government? personnaly have seen evangelists using NIV Codex Sinaiticus based bibles and in front of my eyes not but 3 different times this verse fulfilled. For example the Magna Carta (c.1200 AD) is so frail and desiccated that it is enclosed in a sealed environment, to prevent total disintegration. In the end I wonder,was this truly a omission,or could there be illness,war,fire or any other disasters?? Those manuscripts used as originals in this business wore out very quickly, those used in worship or sold on for private devotions lasted longer, but not for centuries unless unused. Little doubts often repeated become entrenched in the mind and eventually produce either a serious warning, or a platform for lies. PLUS, why is it when I read the KJV for six months I experience a power, unlike anything I have ever experienced. Im new to this discussion. Now, I said all that to simply say this - There is a very noticeable and contradictory statement found in Acts 19:16. Biblical Archaeology Review is the guide on that fascinating journey. 2 Timothy 4 King James Version (KJV) Vatican City is the very whore that is drunk with the blood of the Saints. Siniaticus was pristine because it was not read and loved and cried over for 1400 years. textus receptus vs septuagint. The term of years of Satans power has been fulfilled, but other I will want a copy of the oldest new testament it is written how Jesus says it should be. The simple reason for the disappearance of most manuscripts and why there are so many small fragments containing excerpts around is that they simply wore out! And how about the epistle of Barnabas and the Shepherd of Hermas? These are the manuscripts on which Westcott and Hort and the modern versions rely so heavily. In doctrines? Therefore human sinful behavior cannot be pinned on a failing of Scripture itself. Dig into more than 9,000 articles in the Biblical Archaeology Societys vast library plus much morewith an All-Access pass. It was given to the Vatican from the East and was pretty well hidden away although not totally forgotten, Erasmus in compiling Textus Receptus was told of it but warned of its unreliability and so he ignored it. Now we all know what we have been told about the manuscripts upon which the Textus Receptus was based: they were "The feeblest of manuscript resources" and "Late medieval manuscripts of inferior quality" and so forth.But this collides with what we see in John 6:65-7:16, where minuscule 4 has less corruption than Codex Sinaiticus. Additionally. Same guy that established the doctrine of the Trinity, btw. Rome couldnt get rid of all the Bibles which were being mass produced by the protestors the heretics as Rome branded them, so after a time they got busy by subversion and decided it would suit their purpose better if they worked to alter the Text of the Bible from within. Your email address will not be published. Dig into the illuminating world of the Bible with a BAS All-Access membership. think ian mportant thought, before general literacy the spoken word was all one had and the idea of quoting a past remark was not part of the culture. Besides, thats what he tells us to do, ask. You know perfectly well that the omission of these texts in no way theologically threatens any Biblical doctrine. It is a very important manuscript. Codex Bezae is the lone Greek manuscript that reads orgistheis (angry or indignant) there, probably because the Greek text of Codex D at this point is a retro-translation of a flawed Latin attempt to render the Greek word for moved-in-the-guts.. Clearly that must have been because they were recognised from a very early date to be unreliable to the point of theological fraud. Space does not allow me point out the mutilation of Codex Vaticanus (B). We also understand the the religious leader of the time killed Jesus the savior and many of the Jewish people still do not believe today due to their religious leaders. Who knew the reliability of their manuscrips than the monks at St Caherines? As a whole picture this breadth of 5,800 manuscripts agree with the gospel account. They play both sides sometimes it is original and sometimes not. The entire journey is based on spirituality, faith and love in God. Why dont you ask GOD for the understanding. The question is not so much that the English translations should vary I get that but how the Mark translations match. The codex sin was proven to be a fraudulent in court. Earlier? Following are some of the most important differences between editions of the Greek Received Text: I am so sorry that you do not see the work of GOD in our envroinment , yourself and in people around you. -> Proverbs 8:22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. Looking at the Codex, it has missing pieces like Mark 16:9-20 (additional information about the resurrection), but it still contains Mark 16:1-8, which is essential to the resurrection account. The English translation of the Textus Receptus: But some of them were men from Cyprus and Cyrene, who, when they had come to Antioch, spoke to the Hellenists, preaching the Lord . Regards Codex Siniaticius. If Satan can place doubt about the word of God in mans head, he has the war half won It is by faith and faith alone we can be saved I have personally been transformed from a drunkard, dope head, and whoremonger, into a son of God by faith and our so called flawed KJV. This is history. A court is not the appropriate place to prove or disprove the authenticity of old manuscripts. Sinaiticus and Vaticanus disagree with one another in more than 3,000 places in the four Gospels alone! The catholic church is a Roman institution of anti-Christ idolatry. Codex Sinaiticus was discovered by Constantin von Tischendorf, a German evolutionist theologian, at St. Catherine's Monastery at Mount Sinai. Codex Sinaiticus (A) Codex Sinaiticus discovered from the Monastery of Saint Catherine at Sinai 1844. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Who has bound the waters in His garments? Textual Variants that are Meaningful and Viable The Three Competing Theories - Overview New Testament Textual Families or "Text Types" The "Critical Text" Theory, aka "Reasoned Eclecticism The Rules of Textual Criticism According to Reasoned Eclecticism The Aland Rules of Textual Criticism Reasoned Eclecticism Methodology If they were deliberately mis-copied by different groups in different locations to support certain theological doctrines, then one could expect differences between the two results, but it is simply not possible to explain how two faithful copies of an original text could end up so incompatible. W N Pickering points out that one of the major thrusts of modern versions is to undermine the authority of Scripture, by the use of enclosing parts of the text in brackets and have (ing) numerous footnotes of a sort that raise doubt about the integrity of the Text. And why do we humans who take such pride in our organizational and community identities save in one kind of organization or community seem to save their harshest rebukes for each other for that matter, in this case Protestants against Catholics and vice versa? Through this codex, the R.V. They knew this. The Codex Vaticanus ( The Vatican, Bibl. So I have only recently come across the codex sinaiticus, which has led me here, and Its been enlightening to read all of these comments and opinions, from all of you quite educated and well versed people. Some of them date back to just 60-70 years from the original manuscript! Further plausible (as a Greek translator of NT into a Somali dialect told me), Imagine the arrogance of Tischendorff. If memory serves me, it was a book about women christian martyrs. Handwritten well over 1600 years ago, the manuscript contains the Christian Bible in Greek, including the oldest complete copy of the New Testament. Interesting article.and interesting comments. THE WORD OF OUR GOD ENDURES FOREVER Neither the original hand nor any corrector afterward in Codex Sinaiticus has the wording that Jesus was angry in Mark 1:41. At least to me this discussion thread is very interesting but I always skip the comments that bash another religion or denomination especially when they lack charity and sound scholarship. As for the resurrection in Mark or not in Mark versus Sinaiticus..I think there are endless debates over the Long Ending and the Short Ending of Mark, with scholars evenly divided in their views. In the 19th century, almost all Bible translations had a spurious Trinitarian addition at 1 John 5:7. Please respond if youre interested. In 2003 he published a 200-page study of nine of the Bibles most widely in use in the English-speaking world.* His study examined several passages of Scripture that are controversial, for that is where bias is most likely to interfere with translation. For each passage, he compared the Greek text with the renderings of each English translation, and he looked for biased attempts to change the meaning. Thanks to the comment by Frank, now I am seeing where the Oneness BS concept is being derived from. Hardly. Mark 1.41 MISTAKE. Everyones complaining yet the letter, sent from Juda to his apostles, in jerusalem warning of people corrupting the words of jesus clearly names jesus as a servant of god rather than the son of god if they were gods first companions why didnt they state so i mean jesus should have told them at from the beginning quite EXPLICITLY! Modern scholarship generally holds that Mark is in fact the oldest of the Synoptic Gospels, which could cause theological concerns over the omitted resurrection. Constantine Tischendorf was a false teacher, like one of the ones Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Messiah, warned about. The Textus Receptus is the text that has been used for 2,000 years by Christians. Burgon, a supporter of the Textus Receptus, suggested that Codex Sinaiticus, as well as codices Vaticanus and Codex Bezae, were the most corrupt documents extant. power of God to prevail over the unclean things of the spirits [or: 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. -Thus proving anything Godly about Christianity is bogus.. Nothing could be more errant than to write Catholics hate the Bible. righteousness which is in heaven.[. For those of us that interested in the background of texts, such as whether the verses are original or vary, it would make sense to have an annotated version of the Bible, whatever your faith might be, even if it is absent. He discovered the first part in 1844 and the second part in 1859. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102007409#h=22:2-23:524https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102007409#h=22:2-23:524. re 17. But the rest of scripture gives this doxology in many other areas. Additionally, Mark 1:1 in the original hand omits reference to Jesus as the Son of God. and unbelief is under Satan, who does not allow the truth and Sign up to receive our email newsletter and never miss an update. Read Edward F. Hills Believing Bible Study. . In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Nowhere does the OT say; He was with God in the beginning. One needs to study the various Codices and again ask why have certain critical aspects like (1) Jesus Christ being part of the Godhead, or (2) that we are saved only through Jesus Christ and his blood atoning sacrifice for our sins, have been changed or completely left out? I dont this boils down to Mark in KJV vs. Sinaiticus by any means.There are more books and there are more versions of Mark. Its simple as that folks. It is known by other names, such as the Traditional Text, Majority Text, Byzantine Text, or Syrian Text. The devil you can see is not so much a problem as the devil which you cant see, but yet is very active. BTW, the Pericope de Adultera (John 8:1 ff) was preserved in the Western canon for a thousand years before it was introduced to the Greek and Syriac canons. the Majority Texts (Textus Receptus), and . Craig Evans helped me to understand this seeming dilemma in his study the reliability of the New Testament Manuscripts. If we speak of provenance in an art museum, we know where the picture has been since it was painted by the artist. Thank you. The olympic hockey team that beat russia was given a talk by brooks in the locker room during the victory celebration. The hurricane of Islamic conquest across the Middle East from the 7th century on was, of course, another major factor in destruction. A footnote on #46 above: Besides the New World Translation, the others were The Amplified New Testament, The Living Bible, The New American Bible With Revised New Testament, New American Standard Bible, The Holy BibleNew International Version, The New Revised Standard Version, The Bible in Todays English Version, and King James Version. 1209), designated by siglum B or 03 (in the Gregory-Aland numbering), 1 ( von Soden ), is a fourth-century Christian manuscript of a Greek Bible, containing the majority of the Greek Old Testament and the majority of the Greek New Testament. These two facts should be enough to get your mind thinking whether you have made a right judgement in your comment proving anything Godly about Christianity is bogus Just as a defective plant does not grow but dies so is the nonbeliever already dead. I believe youll find that no one every spoke like Jesus, because Jesus was more than a man. Two men who did not believe the scriptures were inerrant, who conducted seances, who did not believe in the miracles of Christ and who were enamored of Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution. My goodness it appears that the Word of God inerrant, unchanging has many versions, and that these versions do not agree with each other. 23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. There can be only one truth among multiple truth claims. Being added to the church of Christ 2014. after having many different translations. The Textus Receptus is the text which the King James translators used. This is also the text that agrees with more than 95% of the Bible Manuscripts in Koine (common) Greek. It was not something that they had to work out..DID HE or DIDNT HE? Vat., Vat. Codex Vaticanus, gathering dust in the Vatican library since the 1500s and Codex Sinaiticus, rescued from a trash can in St. Catherines monasteryused by Westcott and Hort to rewrite the KJV. Whether Marks gospel is more definitive or not would be a moot issue if it was written as a subsequent addition to Johns. things contrary to their beliefs, just might be a gloss or the real thing. Just like in the 1800s , Europe saw an infiltration into the Seminaries and Colleges by Romes agents to weaken Protestant influence for the ensuing generations and swing them back to Rome (still going on today folks), so too the work of W&H in the late 1800s brought a major shift in the thinking about how scholars should or could go about their work of translation of Scripture. .September 25 .2015) omits verses with a multitude of documented quotes by the earliest Pre-Nicene Christians including converts of the Apostles Paul, Peter, and John; all of whom certainly has autograph versions of the New Testament books. I believe GOD has preserved his word as he said he would . Blessings to you! I recommend The forging of Codex Siniaticus by Bill Cooper. Clearly, as promised, Jehovah God has preserved his Holy Word. https://www.faraboveall.com/015_Textual/SPLIT%20TEXTS_JETS_current.pdf. In the end days, knowledge shall increase. And Christ replied to them, Then We sent after them our apostles and We sent Jesus the son of Mary, and bestowed on him the Gospel; and We ordained in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy; and monasticism, they invented it. Also, Luke 9:55-56 are not completely absent in Codex Sinaiticus. Silly, utter nonsense spawned by Satans minions. The Codex Sinaiticus Project is an international collaboration to reunite the entire manuscript in digital form and make it accessible to a global audience for the first time. The whole thing was written cerca 1832. Be Blessed, Chuck. does not allow what lies under the unclean spirits to understand Washingtonicus and one of its principle claims to fame is its particular addition to the last chapter. It should be noted, for starters, that the four pages containing Mark 15:54b-Luke 1:56a were not produced by the same copyist who wrote the text on the surrounding pages. The above article barely scratches the surface of the difference between the King James Version Bible (based on Textus Receptus) and Codex Sinaiticus. The manuscript has what is now considered the beginning of v. 55 and ending of v. 56 (rem: versification was added in 1551): But he turned and rebuked them. All ready for the next generation of innocent and naive seekers for truth. The KJV is actually a revision of an earlier translation; The Bishops Bible published in 1568. It would enshrine the abominable concept that the church was without the most correct text for 1600 years. When you allow biased comments like this: Posted on . If you deny God, then you are truly out of His will and are dead already. A million is a million, not one less than a million. And again before the written word, the idea of memorizing what was said was not part of culture. Of course, the implications of this, if true, are monumental. Would the pressure they would have certainly applied to any revision process underway be made to uplift and promote the Bible OR to denounce and reduce the Bibles Power??? It was discovered in the 19th century, surpassing Vaticanus as the most complete manuscript. Textus Receptus (Latin: "received text") refers to all printed editions of the Greek New Testament from Erasmus's Novum Instrumentum omne (1516) to the 1633 Elzevir edition. I concur. Also, like most early mss, Codex Sinaiticus omits John 7:53-8:11, not just 8:3-11. And remember this is a group of objective people, not just my own thoughts. After all this education I have decided to always demand the KJV Only. 95% of all NT Manuscripts agree, yet modern scholars reject the testimony of the Received text underlying the KJV English translation in favor of something that was discarded asking us to believe that the True Words of God were lost for hundreds of years making God a liar in His Promise of Preservation.
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